[17:43] <AnE> Okay, one thing before I touch on anything else in the bio.
[17:43] <Mark`Hudson> Yes?
[17:43] <AnE> You played a character with the same name last time you were here. Aaaaand he killed himself.
[17:43] <AnE> So.
[17:43] <AnE> ...
[17:43] <AnE> What's goin' on.
[17:43] <Mark`Hudson> New character, not the same. It is possible for people to have the same name in the world.
[17:44] <AnE> Well, yes...
[17:44] <Mark`Hudson> Do you wish me to use a different name?
[17:45] <Mark`Hudson> I have it saved to my computer, I just have to go through and change all the people's names. Won't take long.
[17:46] <AnE> Well. We feel like it's sort of... retconning what happened, especially since there ARE still characters around who knew the other one.
[17:46] <AnE> I know it's NOT, but with the name being the same?
[17:46] <AnE> It's hard to overlook.
[17:46] <Mark`Hudson> ok
[17:46] <Mark`Hudson> I'll think of something new. let me delete the profile from the site and then I will edit.
[17:47] <AnE> You don't have to delete it, just change the title once you've pasted the edited version in.
[17:49] <Mark`Hudson> Too late lmao
[17:51] <Mark`Hudson> One question
[17:51] <Mark`Hudson> Actually nvm, I am just gonna look up something lol
[17:54] <AnE> k.
[17:55] <Mark`Hudson> Ok done and posted
[17:57] <Mark`Hudson> Better name?
[17:57] <AnE> Yes. :>
[17:58] <Mark`Hudson> Traditional Marvel style. ( 70% of people in Marvel have both first and last names starting with the same letters. )
[18:16] <AnE> Okay, so, there's just afew things about your character.
[18:17] <Mark`Hudson> Well there's alot lol but go on
[18:17] <AnE> The biggest things, we've decided, are that 10 tons of force (in either direction) is a LOT to start out with, as is being able to stop all projectiles.
[18:17] <AnE> Especially considering how light his weaknesses are.
[18:18] <Mark`Hudson> 10 tons is really not that much
[18:18] <AnE> ...it's 20,000 pounds.
[18:18] <Mark`Hudson> for a blast of energy
[18:18] <AnE> Which
[18:18] <AnE> The average rifle has about 8,000 pounds of force
[18:19] <AnE> 20,000 is enough to instantly turn someone's head into red mist.
[18:19] <Mark`Hudson> It's also the weakest form of an energy blast that any known mutant who can project energy is capable of.
[18:20] <Mark`Hudson> I also stated that "All projectiles up to 10 tons of force. " So a .50 call could punch through his barrier easily.
[18:22] <AnE> Yes, well, we don't have that many bad guys running around who tote .50 caliber rifles around. The 'power level' of most characters is a bit lower in general so they can't engulf things in the sun's fire and auto save the day.
[18:23] <Mark`Hudson> really? that's how your going to compare me?
[18:23] <AnE> It was an example?
[18:23] <Mark`Hudson> To using the sun's power and auto saving the day?
[18:23] <AnE> It was...an example.
[18:23] <Mark`Hudson> You know my guy cannot harm about 83% of the people in the rp
[18:24] <AnE> o_O That's not true at all.
[18:24] <Mark`Hudson> right? He's a really weak character compared to everyone else
[18:24] <AnE> Er, no, not really!
[18:24] <Mark`Hudson> People who can absorb kinetic energy a basically indestructible
[18:24] <Mark`Hudson> Cyclops' optic blasts have a concussive force of over 100 tons
[18:25] <AnE> In theory. We don't let them get played that way. And, yes, that's Cyclops. We tend to at least try to have a smidge more realism than the comics, which we're only semi-based on. :>
[18:26] <Mark`Hudson> By decreasing his strength of powers he cannot hold up his own against any characters
[18:26] <Mark`Hudson> you realise this
[18:26] <AnE> I'm not seeing how that would happen.
[18:26] <AnE> We generally do not have SUPER super powerful characters running around and even trimming the numbers down your guy would be really powerful.
[18:27] <Mark`Hudson> You have alot of over the top super powered characters though
[18:27] <AnE> And that's because they gained power over time by participating in plots and such. They didn't start out that way.
[18:28] <Mark`Hudson> Gravity manipulators, kinetic manipulators. Telekentics, telepaths, elemental controllers, people with indestructable bodies and healing factors
[18:28] <AnE> ...and none of them are over-the-top in our eyes, since we approved all of their upgrades.
[18:28] <AnE> Which of those are over-the-top again? At a glance, yes, but one has to look at the entire writeup, which we always do.
[18:29] <Mark`Hudson> Really? Healing means you cannot die. Indestructible? Nuff said. Telekenetics can crush a person's skull with pressure same with gravity. hell they can break every bone in a person's body in a split second
[18:29] <Mark`Hudson> Kinetic manipulaters are just a walking nuke
[18:30] <AnE> We don't have any indestructable characters. And for characters who can come back from the dead? We have one, who is very squishy, and the entire 'coming back' process is traumatic. Again, none of the registered characters with powers that SEEM over-the-top are written out that way. They're balanced out with limits and/or weaknesses.
[18:31] <Mark`Hudson> As is mine
[18:31] <Mark`Hudson> the 10 tons max blast is like if he were pissed and put all his entire focus behind it. Not every single blast will have that force
[18:34] <AnE> Like I said, your character's weaknesses are pretty light, which is fine, but the numbers have to be cut down. If his blasts were the equivalent of, like I said, a rifle or similar, and he could withstand similar, it would be a vast improvement. And...that's it!
[18:35] <Mark`Hudson> So basically my guy cannot have any means of defending himself
[18:35] <Mark`Hudson> Got it
[18:35] <AnE> What?
[18:35] <AnE> That isn't even close to what I said.
[18:35] <Mark`Hudson> Ok.. So I can defend myself if the police or gangs decide to shoot at me? I'm screwed if they use Ak 47's or desert eagles though
[18:36] <AnE> Even if you cut the numbers down he'd still be perfectly capable of defending himself. And... yes? Yes, he could. And...yeah? It's not like most characters would have that kind of a chance, your guy would just have way more because of the shields?
[18:37] <Mark`Hudson> Not really
[18:38] <Mark`Hudson> Everyone could with stand the physical impact of his blasts. Everything would go through his shields. I may as well throw paper air planes or sponges at people
[18:38] <AnE> ...if his blasts had the power of the average rifle how would EVERYONE be able to withstand them?
[18:38] <AnE> That makes zero sense.
[18:39] <Mark`Hudson> because rifles are piercing rounds. You get hit with a solid concussive force of a rifle it's like getting hit with a fuckin bean bag
[18:39] <Mark`Hudson> sorry for swearing
[18:40] <Mark`Hudson> Concussive, solid impacts. Not piercing like a bullet
[18:40] <Mark`Hudson> It strikes a surface and explodes with that force
[18:41] <AnE> I don't care about the swearing. I just wish you'd understand where I'm coming from.
[18:41] <AnE> BRB
[18:41] <Mark`Hudson> So I have to have the physical force of a bean bag or potato gun. Fine
[18:49] <AnE> Back. And...again, that isn't what I'm saying at all. ):
[18:50] <Mark`Hudson> You said give him the same force of a rifle. Have you ever seen a rifle fire a bean bag? Seen the impact it does to a body?
[18:50] <Mark`Hudson> It's like getting shot with a harder version of a paintball
[18:50] <AnE> A rifle..firing..bullets, is what I meant.
[18:50] <AnE> ._.
[18:50] <AnE> Why would I say otherwise?
[18:50] <Mark`Hudson> Yes, but bullets penetrate
[18:50] <Mark`Hudson> My powers don't
[18:51] <Mark`Hudson> The blast explodes upon impact with a surface
[18:51] <Mark`Hudson> which is where the concussive force is felt
[18:51] <Mark`Hudson> A bullet keeps going and doesn't stop
18:52] <AnE> No, no, no. I think we're in a state of confusion here, let me clear things up!
[18:52] <AnE> A solid impact against the body, piercing or not, is more or less lethal. It breaks bones, causes internal swelling and hemmhoraging.
[18:52] <AnE> It's definitely NOT a beanbag.
[18:53] <Mark`Hudson> So someone has died from a bean bag shot to the shoulder?
[18:53] <AnE> At 10 tons of force, it could literally pulverize a human body. It would turn it into paste and powder.
[18:54] * Mark`Hudson fails to see where Spiderman or cyclops ever turned a person into paste.
[18:55] <Mark`Hudson> Spider-man has the strength of 10 tons. I've never seen him punch someone and turn them to gew or break bones
[18:56] <AnE> If someone threw 10 TONS of force, that's 20,000 pounds, at someone? Even if it didn't pierce the skin? Half their body would just be GONE. And that's because comic writers generally ignore physics in favor of whatever looks/sounds cool. >.>
[18:57] <Mark`Hudson> fine 100 pounds of force you got it
[18:59] <AnE> Well.
[18:59] <AnE> Okay!
[18:59] <Mark`Hudson> I will make him incredibly weak so he can die so fast
[18:59] <Mark`Hudson> cause thats what you seem to want
[18:59] <AnE> That is not what I want so please stop putting words in my mouth.
[19:00] <Mark`Hudson> You are though
[19:00] <Mark`Hudson> You don't see it from my side
[19:00] <AnE> All I'm getting out of you is 'If I can't have 20,000 pounds of force/resistance my character is weak'. Even if we cut that in HALF he'd still be really powerful but you're just plugging your ears and going 'lalalalala' at whatever I say.
[19:02] <Mark`Hudson> Your lowering his defense to allow everyone to be able to harm him
[19:02] <AnE> Who is 'everyone'.
[19:02] <Mark`Hudson> Everyone
[19:02] <Mark`Hudson> Every hero/villian/student on the site
[19:02] <AnE> ...
[19:02] <AnE> So the girl who can stretch and glow could kill him? Or the goatlady? Or the guy with the ghost knight inside of him?
[19:03] <Mark`Hudson> If you can walk, you can beat my character
[19:03] <Mark`Hudson> yes they all can
[19:03] <AnE> Are you reading these things you're typing? O_o
[19:03] <Mark`Hudson> His barrier can be walked through
[19:03] <Mark`Hudson> If you move slowly, you can get inside the kinetic barrier
[19:04] <Mark`Hudson> Or if you move fast enough
[19:04] <Mark`Hudson> My energy blasts are easily avoidable.
[19:05] <Mark`Hudson> You can literally hear them before he shoots them off. Plenty of time to get to cover or move
[19:06] <Mark`Hudson> Forget it, I will figure something else out
[19:06] * AnE sighs.
[19:06] <AnE> All I asked you to do was cut it down, not reduce it to zero.
[19:07] <AnE> But if that's what you want to do. ):
[19:07] <Mark`Hudson> Right now, at 10 tons. He has a little bit of protection. Reducing it means you could spit through his shields
[19:08] <Mark`Hudson> It will negate his flight ability
[19:08] <Mark`Hudson> And the only way he'd be able to actualyl hurt someone is getting angry. ( if I went with rifle damage for blasts. )
[19:12] <AnE> If you must figure it out, figure it out, because as it stands, we can't approve him as written. I'm sorry.
[19:12] <Mark`Hudson> I will go back to the drawing bored and scrap the character
[19:12] <Mark`Hudson> sorry for wasting time
[19:13] <AnE> You could...adapt and not throw him away when I give a suggestion but ok. There's tons of ways he could be adjusted to be channel-appropriate.
[19:14] <Mark`Hudson> Your turning him into nothing
[19:14] <AnE> Let me rephrase.
[19:15] <Mark`Hudson> Ever been hit by a cannon that fired air?
[19:15] <AnE> There's tons of ways he could be adjusted to be channel-appropriate that wouldn't break him or reduce him to what you call 'nothing'.
[19:18] <Mark`Hudson> Fine, you win. I won't return. Sorry.
[19:18] <AnE> ...
[19:18] <AnE> Did
[19:18] <AnE> Did I say you couldn't
[19:18] <AnE> What
[19:19] <Mark`Hudson> i'm sorry I wasted your time
[19:19] <AnE> Okay bye I guess.
[19:20] <Mark`Hudson> My history is an issue, I get that. And I thought maybe I could have a second chance but I'm being put into a tiny box. It's obvious your holding onto a grudge and I am sorry for bringing things back up.
[19:20] <AnE> I never had a grudge?
[19:21] <Mark`Hudson> sure seems like you dislike me
[19:22] <AnE> ...How? I tried to help you change your character to be appropriate for the setting. @_@ I never said anything mean.
[19:23] <Mark`Hudson> By making my character have nothing special about him??
[19:24] <AnE> ...nnnnnnno.
[19:24] <Mark`Hudson> that's the wrong choice of words hang on
[19:24] <AnE> Not even. O_o
[19:24] <Mark`Hudson> Making my character useless to everyone
[19:24] <AnE> We didn't even find a number to settle on, YOU just decided anything less than 20,000 pounds is WEAKSAUCE.
[19:25] <Mark`Hudson> because it is
[19:25] <AnE> Except it's not.
[19:25] <AnE> I gave you examples.
[19:25] <AnE> You ignored them.
[19:25] <Mark`Hudson> The examples would have made him useless
[19:26] <AnE> How? 20,000 pounds of force even WITHOUT a bullet, from a fucking FLUFFY BUNNY would take someone's head and half their body off.
[19:26] <Mark`Hudson> But one bullet and my shields are down
[19:26] <Mark`Hudson> I deflect one "rifle" round and my shields are gone, my character is useless
[19:28] <Mark`Hudson> Do you not see where I wrote that he can only withstand up to 10 tons of force. That doesn't mean with a single hit of 10 tons
[19:28] <Mark`Hudson> It means enough hits to equal 10 tons and it's down
[19:29] <Mark`Hudson> What your suggesting for me to do is make it so that my guy would be weak, vulnerable to attack and fully drained of energy if he blocks just a single shot from a rifle.
[19:30] <AnE> We're going to have to agree to disagree since you decided that you're unwilling to listen to the ops' decision, which has NOTHING to do with what you did in the past. And... up to 10 tons is a big number regardless of it being in one hit or several, since most characters and villains do not wield that kind of power. You claim I'm trying to make your character useless, you're making him unstoppable. No BULLET in existance hits with 10 tons of force.
[19:30] <Mark`Hudson> omg
[19:30] <Mark`Hudson> How much force did you say a rifle hits with?
[19:31] <AnE> 7,000 pounds.
[19:31] <Mark`Hudson> so I can withstand up to 3, maybe 4 shots from a rifle. Before my guy is depleted
[19:31] <Mark`Hudson> Thats what I'm at now
[19:34] <Mark`Hudson> I'm not sayign every blast is going to be 10 tons of force. He can only do enough blasts to equal up to 10 tons of force
[19:34] <Mark`Hudson> Either put all his focus into one strong 10 ton blast or fire ten 1 ton blasts
[19:35] <Mark`Hudson> before he is drained
[19:36] <Mark`Hudson> Think of it like weight lifting. You can only lift so much weight before you get tired. In one lift you could exceed your normal amount but become drained and tired after one large object is lifted.
[19:36] <Mark`Hudson> ok i'll shut up
[19:36] <Mark`Hudson> you can just ban me
[19:38] <AnE> Can I?
[19:38] <AnE> Because all you've done is whine at me about how we're trying to break your character, given me ridiculous examples that defy physics, shown that you have no idea of how physics work, and cry persecution. I DIDN'T have a grudge, but now I do, my infinite patience has worn out because you are a goddamn miracle worker, and I'm pretty goddamn glad at this point that you've chosen not to come back because you are a headache and a half and I can't even decide whether to laugh or be mad at what a basic bitch you're being.
[19:38] <AnE> Peace.
